- Matthias Gibel
- BBC News World
Protests against the government of Ecuadorian President Guillermo Lasso have not stopped and the President of the Federation of Ecuadorian Indigenous Peoples (CONAIE), Leonidas Isa, Still do not rule out a complicated situation.
In an interview with BBC Mundo from Quito, Issa denied government allegations that the aboriginal leadership wanted to remove the president from Corondalet Palace and was linked to the authorities’ struggle and protests against drug trafficking.
Iza promised that the mobilization would seek answers to the 10 points raised by CONAIE, including the freezing of fuel prices, the ban on loans in the financial system and the exploitation of mining in domestic areas.
But the most visible leader of the national strike expected the situation to be out of control because of the lack of responses from the government – which would already be difficult due to the violence and growing shortage on the streets.
KWhat he says briefly about these eleven days of struggles that began on June 13th?
At the very least the national government that is not happening throughout the year we are talking about should listen to us.
But a few days ago, President Lasso said the aim of the struggle was to remove himself from power. Is that motive behind the struggle?
We want to tell the world that we have never come forward to do that. Failure to respond to requests is the own construction of the national government.
We stayed in the area for eight days and for the last three days we have been in Kyoto, from the first day we were told that our demands were 10 points and not to confuse those 10 points with political stability.
They do not intend to perpetuate the need to overthrow the national government.
So, if that does not happen (fulfillment of demands), it is the burden of the national government that will lead to any other political moment. But this time, the native movement and popular fields have established that one should get a response of 10 points.
So if the government does not listen to your demands, you do not deny that this is possibleA Will it create a more complicated political situation?
This can create a complex political situation that is not controlled in practice.
Now we have control over our organizational systems, but there is a reaction from the people and the community.
In that sense, we have always said – to take care of what we are coming to town for – we need an answer to 10 points, that is our agenda.
Meanwhile, the national government makes external assessments or sets scenarios that are absent and we do not propose; Because, in practice, it seeks to impose violence that is supposed to protect democracy.
But there has been violence on both sides these days, and even if you call for nonviolence it does not prevent incidents. An Ecuadorian analyst, Pedro Donoso, said a few hours ago that neither the president nor the government controlled the state, nor did Gone control the protests. Have the struggles gone awry?
They did not leave the hand. Yesterday it was demonstrated with a huge peace rally.
At the time, a group of unidentified citizens went and encouraged action against the prosecutor’s office. We cannot be responsible for that, not during the march, but after it.
There seems to be planning by the government itself and we cannot take responsibility for something that can be controlled by the national government.
While you were talking about the infiltrators in the processions, the Minister of Defense had said the next day that the struggle against drug trafficking was taking place in an environment of wave of insecurity in the country. The relationship between the two events.
They were rude words, irresponsible words, it provoked us and made us angry.
As long as they continue to think like this, neither the president nor government officials will ever resolve this mobilization.
We will not accept a single penny from drug trafficking or the mafias operating there.
I ask the authorities, how many of those involved in the state administration are involved in drug trafficking?
We say we will not accept a single penny from any political actor who is bad at drug trafficking. This struggle continues with the solidarity of the people who feel poverty and inequality in this country, the rural people, all of us.
They are the ones who have to unleash the control of the mafia within the state and within the institutions, at least the state does not have the capacity to control it.
We totally reject such pretensions to make our struggle illegal.
The next day Nina Walinga, a well-known international activist within the Ecuadorian movement,S I ask you and the President to act like adults and resolve this situation.I ask him personally if there is a conflict between the president of the country and the head of CONAIE, who has kidnapped a large part of the Ecuadorian community.
I have no personal problem with the President.
I have experienced insults, harassment, criminalization, harassment, and illegal detention by the President.
In this case- we have never tried to maintain my person’s attitude. An issue has been established here.
It is respectable that there are comrades who suddenly disagree with the collective decisions, but here are the decisions of all the organizational organizations of the tribal movement regarding the 10 demands.
That’s what we stand for, and that’s what we’re going to continue to stand for.
Therefore, let those who say that we have a childish or childish attitude, contrary to what the President has said, let them know that we have presented the proposal since June 11 last year. On October 4th, we went to the talk desk on the same proposal, even on November 10th. Answers?
So this is not a childish attitude on our part. It is bad that the President has used these places for his own benefit only for dialogue.
There has been maturity on our part.
President Laszlo responded to these ten points raised by CONAIE. For example, he spoke about the declaration of a state of emergency in the field SAvalanche, price control Oh Did not raise fuel prices. How do you analyze the President’s response to your demands?
We welcome these orders, which are not much of an issue, but they do bring benefits to specific issues.
What we have said is that we need to move forward on the most urgent issues such as the fuel issue, the financial system issue, the mining issue. These are the problems that have exacerbated poverty in this country.
We have stated with absolute clarity that the fuel increase will not return to zero, assuming an increase of 60%, but the State of Ecuador assumes 40%.
We don’t go to extremes, but take a share, but they can’t carry all the weight to the poor, that’s the point.
Therefore, as soon as the fuel price freeze at this price is confirmed, we will immediately call on other departments to plan a policy aimed at subsidies.
On our side, at this point, there is complete transparency in the issues we have urgently stated.
Beyond the conflict between CONAIE and the government, a large section of the Ecuadorian community is concerned about violence.
We get it, and our families still suffer.
Fights always bring pain and tragedy: we have comrades killed, shot directly in the head,
For the citizens in the city, we understand that food is running out, which is why we have asked the President to have very quick processes so that no one in Ecuador is harmed.
We have always said that supplies, gas, should be guaranteed, but that too is out of control because many times the protest sites have no organization; Therefore, we need to know what are the minimum conditions for founders and founders in the regions.
In fact, with the deaths, the wounded, the blind comrades (the struggle) all that needs to be sustained, this time it is already in the hands of the President.
So, I would like to ask the citizens that we can do Esprit de Corps. This is not a mechanical (living) fight or a robot fight, it is a human fight.
This struggle is one that guarantees the minimum conditions as human beings.
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